Once I had a mid 70's Dodge with a 4 speed overdrive. The shift pattern is the same on Muncies, Saginaw and t-10"s. The shifter determines whether you have to lift up or push down for reverse. and it will only leak when the engine is running. Perfect for your 265. 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Purchased some new shift forks for another 75 and rebuilt the trans. The Saginaw transmission featured durability and reliability. I have the same thing, I intentionally built the car that way and it's been in there 12 years, 12 long gear grinding years, so i feel your pain. 2. 5) Pull the cover and put everything in neutral. Is that a good idea - and since I would need a mechanic what do you think the job would cost me (repair etc.). The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. On the other hand, the Saginaw transmission is considered to be less durable and is better suited for less demanding applications. Get a Hurst Competition PLus shifter for it and you're in good shape. The base manual transmission for non-high-performance models and 67-8 SS350's was the Saginaw 3-speed, M15. GM Atlas engines - the new generation of I6, I5 & I4 - use the same standardized engine block pattern as the 1955-on engines. I went with a vintage Hurst syncro loc 3 speed shifter which I read some good things about. On my first 4 speed, I had everything mocked up on the bench, then went "through" the gears. Lots of cars have different types of transmissions. 2-3 days lead time. transmission was standard on 396 engines (SS 396) and Reverse is in the normal position of way left and up. I've never used on in a high HP application, but the one I had I couldn't hurt if I tried. For 1955-1957 Chevrolet full size models w/ bench seat. Thanks in advance John. Jan 30, 2007. If you are wondering if your car has a Saginaw transmission, there are several ways to identify it. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The shifter location helps make it easier for drivers to shift gear ratios quickly and efficiently, improving the overall driving experience. View the Chevy Saginaw 3-Speed and 4-Speed Diagram with an exploded view and a parts breakdown. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Just Reciently a couple of guys from New Jersey bought a 1960 ecoline van in Calif. Patent Pending, 1964 -1965 7/8" Bore Patent Pending Mostly 1964, 1970 1974 (some early 1975 cars) 1" Bore Patent Number, 1963 "Thin Fin Tail" Driver speedometer The truck I'm driving is my 1977 Chevrolet C10 pickup truck. Terms of Service. JavaScript is disabled. . This shifter location is a good indication that your car has a Saginaw 3-speed transmission. thus the nickname "Rock Crusher" was born. With the 318 trans first and reverse you are actually moving & shifting a real gear. model side covers had a hole and the shift arms attached with a bolt. Attractive chrome-plated steel stick with 3/8-16 thread and custom white knob. The Saginaw 3 speed uses the same cross member as the Muncies. and it can start leaking and is often confused with a leaking rear main seal. The shifter is too far to the drivers side and will be a pain. loose binding linkage and loose engine mounts can cause trouble also. Shift Pattern Diagram A shift pattern diagram should be in your vehicle. when repair or maintenance work is performed. It is often used in restorations and custom builds, as well as in off-road and racing vehicles. Shift levers 2 for 3-speed transmissions 3 for 4-speed transmissions Cast iron tail housing Saginaw 4-speed Gear Ratios; Input 1st Gear 2nd Gear 3rd Gear 4th Gear Notes No grooves 2.84 2.01 1.34 1.00 . Any ideas on that. You might want to source a steering column from a car that had a floor shift as it would eliminate the obvious top collar under the steering wheel and the linkage under the hood. If no transmission option was selected, this was the transmission installed. Concave or Flat Top Shift Knobs Shift Pattern. The number on it is 224247. This shifter location is a good indication that your car has a Saginaw 3-speed transmission. Thanks for the stock numbers and if you could give me the amount it actually moves it over it sure would be appreciated Duh, I must have screwed up my linkage on my Saginawmy reverse is left & down. The guy I got the trans off of also gave me a shifter. inputs came with 32 spline output shafts and all 10 spline inputs came with 27 So there is no lifting up on the shifter to go into reverse. Go with the muncie it will be cheaper in the long run. Early models had iron cases, and late-model cases are aluminum. The regular hole for Saginaw 4-speed, all 3-speeds & automatic $ 125.00 This new old stock transmission counter shaft was manufactured by General Motors for use on the following models: Buick 1964-1965 Special, Skylark, LeSabre with column shift 3-speed transmission, Chevrolet 1940 - 1953 Passenger with Heay Duty 3-speed Standard Transmission, Chevrolet 1954 - 1965 Corvette with 3-speed Standard Transmission, It works fine & feels natural, so I guess I'll leave it like that. Yup did that myself as a kid. Mine is coming out for a turbo 350. We share our knowledge with you, here on CarShtuff. created; all 3925661 castings (1970-1974) had drain plugs. 4. Early Muncie side covers had a Any road If not for the internet they wouldn't have been able to fix the van. 3-speed transmission stamped W1124, matching invoice on SS 396 Apparently there are early and late model transmissions. Fully syncronized three speed, fully syncronized three speed with overdrive, and fully syncronized four speed. I read the post and replied that I had a good used one. 6) Mount the shift levers on the cover and put the levers in the neutral position. Lots of local car clubs have members who swap parts and help work on others members cars. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The Saggy in my '72 Camaro has the same shift pattern, left and in for reverse. New Process A833 All forward speeds synchronized. . CHART SAGINAW, G.M. 4; wrecked 5th gear syncro ring. Flywheels do not interchange. Call 800.979.0122, 7am-10pm, everyday. seen that before, not very pretty. Look for an aluminum case: The Saginaw transmission case is made of aluminum, which makes it lighter than many other manual transmissions. Gary S said: If the tranny came from a 6 cylinder car, it was not a Z28. Note that a Muncie Heat treated components for durability and longer life. Price: $269.00 . John, that is not a hard change over and you can spend on a budget (like me) or as much as you wanna spend .. :anim_25: Late to the game here, yep. Borg-Warner T16 H.D. CHART 4-SPEED TRANSMISSION I.D. 2. . "It's just a phase. I was lucky to find an Muncie 22 for a great deal and I could not be happier. http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/vette/65 Chevelle L79/65Chevelle6June2010.jpg. Flywheels do not interchange with any other series and are always 168 teeth. A forum community dedicated to hot rod owners and enthusiasts. 2. I have one in my T and it is left and down. Saginaw 2-3 1-R Shift Fork 3 Speed and 1-2 Shift Fork 4 Speed, WT301-23 Saginaw 2-3 1-R Shift Fork, WT301-23 Our Price: $17.90 (4) Saginaw 3 Speed Counter Shaft Pin, WT301-3 NV4500 5 Speed Shifter Parts; NP833 4 Speed. JavaScript is disabled. 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