And then I was working with Rick Rubin on a session I think it. A totally different sound, yet completely him., Zanes enrolled in Loyola and spent the next twelve years in universities, eventually getting a Ph.D. from Rochester University in Cultural Studies. If a band leader had any energy left over to encourage others, they could, and it's good to include people. I mean, somebody dies, or somebody hates itto get a run, a creative run, is amazing, period. His last words to me where, I heard you, man. Stan Lynch: Drumming in the Music BizInsights on how to stay sane in a crazy business. . Don Henley Called Stan Lynch As He Wanted To Record His New Album Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer and famous record producer Stan Lynch has worked with various bands and musicians, such as the Eagles, the Byrds, Bob Dylan, Stevie Nicks, and many more. You first encounter Petty as a fan and then, youre in this rock band, the Del Fuegos, and opening up for these guys. And they don't! I interviewed Stan for Vintage Drums Magazine (a now defunct British publication) in 2018 and we got deep into his gear for Damn The Torpedoes. 90.9 KB Views: 172. When we got back together for the Bridge School Benefit it was just misery. So I think that sorta nailed it on the head, I heard that and I never forgot it. MD: The Heartbreakers worked with a unique mix of producers over the years. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any suggestions. When he gets married, its the same thing. You haven't taken it too seriously.Oh, no! His father beats him. Petty is a rock star who is also a member of a band that has been together since the mid-seventies, and it is difficult to be one without undermining the other. Without doing any research, I couldn't tell you what erstwhile Heartbreaker Stan Lynch has been doing with his life for the past three decades. We all know who the super managers are, we know who the good labels are. So the core values are that I'm really comfortable with it, and I always was. But at the same time, that's why I sorta go back to my original assessment, some bands that last 10 minutes, it's 10 minutes too long. He left the band in 1994 due to personal differences with Petty. Because every night I went out and watched Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. What do you think are the biggest pitfalls on the road to success, and after you become successful?The biggest pitfalls on the way to success: disillusionment and panic when you're so close. I didnt know whether to say, Thank you or Fuck you. I only knew I was grateful to have had the experience of having all those men in my life. The other guys might have had a little more expectation, so there was more disappointment for them. It wasn't a valid thing, there was no business to back me up on that. The Del Fuegos were originally an Oberlin band that Dan Zanes, Warrens older brother, started with some college friends; Warren joined after Andover. A fun chat with my old friend and original drummer with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, the great Stan Lynch. The band loudly declared their love for Petty at their shows. It wouldn't sound the same if it wasn't Keith Moon playing the drums.Oh absolutely, but at the same time, it's Pete Townshend protecting his idea. They were very bright men. My ride is like, I want to be around the best, coolest musicians that will have me! We apologized to each other for being assholes and young and stupid, says Campbell. I was pleased to see that was still there. And thats not a judgment on Bruce. I had gotten the phone call signifying one part of my life was over. [laughs] And it's really nice when you hear somebody in the room, even if you're not sure whether they're better than you or worse than you, but it's something you wouldn't do! Hes just not a self-promoter. There are things I could have handled better, specifically with Mike. We have a freedom to walk down the street and meet people. Joe Jackson, Past, Present, and Fast Forward, A New York Doll Gets the Scorsese Treatment. But it got untenable. So I think nowadays it's so much by rote, your first album can sell a million records, and it's no big deal - they'll still drop you [laughs]. And there was always great coffee. Stan Lynch, the bands longtime drummer, who eventually quit in 1994, is unsurprisingly the most critical of Petty. I really tried to put on the school tie, man, I tried like hell for the last five years. Even in the second grade, it was like, the nice way of putting it on the report card: "He seems to be a leader!" And therefore if I'm gonna sell I have to play to the means. I have regrets. The next incarnation. And I think to try to predict what a group of people will buy is sad and frightening [laughs]. But you follow your gut on that one. So, you have to be prepared to live with that as a self-employed musician, you have to be prepared to suffer that. I have the slang and the cadence and the understanding of how those songs are supposed to be translated. I have a really good life, he says. Thus, the rocker said he has tons of regrets regarding his time with the band. Otherwise, I listened to what I already had.. www.moderndrummer.com "You're never fired, you're just not asked to do the next thing". What is important is your musical contribution, and to do your job. At one point, he said, Warren, Im going to have to answer questions about this for the rest of my life. And I said, I know.. I couldn't believe that I was the odd man out. By virtue of his band staying together and the quality of the musicians, the Heartbreakers are a singular story in popular music. Double Platinum Supporting Member. I reintroduced myself. And if you need me to explain it to you any better than that, I will. When Tom Petty was asked to describe original Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch in the 2005 book Conversations With Tom Petty, the bandleader responded with, Stan. I could have been more applied as an artist earlier, you know, I could have made more of a statement for myself. ', I dont give a shit what were playing, adds Lynch. But it hasn't taken over your soul.No, no. If you still wanna stay in the biz, if you're still feeling useful. When original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch was let go from the group in 1995 or "excommunicated," to use his own term he started a new chapter of his life in Florida as. Tom Petersson from Cheap Trick - didn't hurt him! But we had a quiet moment at the rehearsals. ( 1955-05-21) May 21, 1955 (age 67) Cincinnati, Ohio, United States. . Now there's a book in itself." Any book about the fifty-two-year-old Lynch would surely be an entertaining, fairly hilarious read. Now, if you're trying to tailor your work to the widest possible audience, then I don't know if you can reconcile those two things. Pick up the May 2008 issue of Modern Drummer at music stores, book stores, and newsstands everywhere! ', Related I said, How do you digest two albums worth of material? They went, Thats Wednesday for me. Bissonette was going, You chart them out. Stan Lynch was the original drummer for The Heartbreakers. And when it happens, its certainly a big deal. But one of you is gonna change, because you can't coexist in those two different universes. So I wanted to put the drums down. Are you up for it?, Lynchs first instinct was to decline the offer. In light of your experience of being in a band for so long, what advice would you give to band leaders to help the chemistry; what do you think is the best possible way to bring out everybody's creativity in a band situation?The truth of the matter is the best bands, including the Beatles and the Stones and the Who, have a core of creative fire to them that needs to be nurtured before the other people need to be nurtured. My take on that record is that I like bands that count to four and play loud. I dont know what it would mean to them since they have a lot more miles than I do, but it would be a joy for me., Campbell says hes not ready for something like that. Well, if your ego gets in the way and that's what's dominating your thinkingThat would be so sad! He ended up recording harmonies on the bands Warner Brothers dbut album, and he brought the Del Fuegos with him on tour. The guy's a fucking hardcore, he lives and eats it, he's destined to be who he is! Stan Lynch . I just didn't know any better, I didn't know it turned into a corporate frenzy and we were being sponsored by Levi's! Hi! I didnt need to be that way. I have regrets. That's that old story, by the time you figure that out, they're on to something else anyway. But the last time I tried, I dont know if he was in a better spot, I reduced it to, Stan, I will fly down there, rent a car, come to your door for 20 minutes. They got me a Beatles magazine from 1965, the year I was born. We had recorded some of the songs with Stan (Lynch, the Heartbreakers' drummer through the mid-'90s) at Mike (Campbell)'s house. Like, if Jimi Hendrix had quit when the first 3 guys rejected himI'm just using Hendrix because he's such an icon to me. It may be time to change channels. It became like, "Well that's pretty stupid that he's not acknowledging this." Over and over and over and over and over. Drummer Talk 272 State of the Union (So What IS Up? And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. Lets do some more. But I don't know if you've jumped through enough hoops and had enough discipline to make a record worth listening to unless you are Jimi Hendrix. There was a lot of things that were not said that should have been said, he says. Stan talks about his years with Tom Petty & The . I'm Bihter. This is a great joke I heard somebody say to me: it was somebody who's very successful who was producing records for somebody who was lesser knowna record that was probably never gonna sell, but it was a cool record. And then we got together when we were old fucks and we played some clubs. I would have never bet on that.. [laughter] That's a totally appropriate description of my career at times! I dont know how thats going to feel. Sojust pick a time. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame drummer-turned-successful songwriter/producer (for Don Henley, The Eagles, The Mavericks, Ringo Starr, and Tim McGraw, among others) and tree farmer (a gig he describes as part Zen, part holding on for dear life, and not unlike playing with Bob Dylan) is an opinionated, intelligent guy who doesnt mince words or sugarcoat memories. I went and I gave Tom and his family a copy of an Ann Peebles record. Is it better to take time off, or work through it until it comes back, or?Call a friend. The 50 Worst Decisions in Music History [laughter] You know, mining the same belly button lint for the 10,000th time. So that was the perspective I had immediately. Apart from the enduring work he crafted with the Heartbreakers, Lynch's stage and studio credits as a drummer also include the likes of Bob Dylan, Don Henley, Aretha Franklin, The Eurythmics, Roger McGuinn, Stevie Nicks, Del Shannon, T-Bone Burnett, and Warren Zevon. And hes just kind of patting this thing and Im thinking, This could go any one of ten thousand ways. They tried to help him. And I also probably would have told myself, don't waste any moments in terms of those six months between tours, where Tom's writing, you should be writing too. He remembered me from the tours. If you're actually really good, and they don't get it, you can actually believe that you're wrong and they're right. He admitted acting wrong and didnt communicate with his bandmates properly. I sat down at the drums and I didnt know whether to cry or barf. I kneeled down, took her hand, and I went, Its going to be OK. I think its a bit of healing and closure for people to revisit that feeling and revisit Tom in a positive way., Playing Pettys music night after night has also given Lynch the opportunity to grieve for his friend. Where the world's greatest drummer meet. We got beyond it. As were driving, hes making me haul ass, and he says, Stanley, driving a Ferrari fast, thats what a groove feels like. At the gig, Marley had the place hypnotized. I think I have some Tom nuances in my voice. But if its all of us without Tom, theres this big hole in the room. Petty was our guy. Opt out through the unsubscribe link in any marketing email. You have to make an honest statement like "I'm trying to sell! It must be tougher to hang onto the premise of artistic integrity in that situation.Well, conversely, it's a thrill to know that you've had some success. Out came Petty, walking his walk, carrying the manuscript. It works really well with him. During a three-night stint at the Roxy in L.A., in the mid- eighties, Petty got in touch and invited the group to his place in Encino. Rock drummers seem to be almost expected to be troublemakers, and early on you had that reputation. He takes a Sharpie and signs it for me for every Beatle and hands it back to me. 6,156. You keep this band together. I'd be in a band with him tonight if he'd let me. When original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch was let go from the group in 1995 or excommunicated, to use his own term he started a new chapter of his life in Florida as a producer-songwriter and rarely looked back. I would sayyou have a lot of energy, young man! The last tour that they had Howie on, in the days prior to the tour, he was stopped by police in a stolen car with Carlene Carter with black tar heroin. But Petty was always just the right fit, for me, my brother, my sister and my mother. [laughter] I mean, I know that. by Robyn Flans. When he released that safety valve out. Petty spent the downtime recording his solo album Wildflowers with producer Rick Rubin and every member of the Heartbreakers besides Stan Lynch, a decision that did not sit well with the drummer. They get busy trying to control the story. That's when you've hit the real essence of collaboration, where you know you've found your partner. He wrote songs, they recorded those songs, they put a record together with artwork, they released it, and they went out on the road to support it. That extends to interviews. Here are a couple of albums Stan has worked on that are worth checking out: Barry Sides "Broken Hearts Broken Strings", Dixie Desperados , Drew Copeland and Gregg McMillan's first solo album. And so when they became, quote, rock stars they thought they were better than other people. It comes up in weird ways. It hurts me to see somebody in that much pain, I really internalize it, it bothers me! And our bass player Crawdaddy [Lance Morrison] said, You should play that song together in the show. There was a lot of miscommunication and a lot of immature shit going down. So you pick a really good time, when everybody's sober, when you've got everyone's attention, and usually you preface it with a lot of love and caring, or a desire to see a full life with them. There are so many records out there now that it's harder to stand out.Yeah, right, it's like, everybody's super-talented and everybody's a genius and everybody's signed, and I don't care! My shot out was that I was gonna be a rock drummer! With $100 in his pocket, Stan Lynch drove his dad's VW bus from Florida across country to L.A. in 1974. So, in some ways it's harder for the same reasons it's easier, if that makes any sense. There sat the fantastic coffee. Warren became vice-president of educational programs for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This article was published more than7 years ago. But usually, in all of those great bands, there's a lot of creative contribution by all of the musicians. But the fact that these guys hung out with me for so fuckin' long is like - oh my God! I had to forget all that. I imagine it's him saying, "You know, I'm only gonna put the best shit on my songI don't want one of these to die; they're hard to come by.". We have estimated Stan Lynch's net worth, money, salary, income, and assets. He referred to my old band as the Del Tacos. Probably best known for having been the longtime drummer and founding member of Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Lynch has also toured the world with Bob Dylan, and written and produced songs for Don Henley, the Eagles, the Mavericks and many others. Great rock'n'roll is not usually made by democracy - that's the truth. They were the best and brightest at the game for a minute there, and I was in very rarified air and extremely good company for a moment there. The list goes on, but this'll get you started! I'm not on Mount Rushmore and I don't think I should be! Stan Lynch page 2.jpg. Ive thought about having different singers up there doing the songs, but why? Then I heard him at a gig talking to a guy in another band. All I know is that I have very selective memory about the whole experience, very positive. Stan said no to the interview between three and four times. Thats when it fell apart with Stan., The tensions between Lynch and Petty had been building ever since the late 1980s when Petty recorded with the Traveling Wilburys and followed that up with his first solo album. Just think of Breakdowns slinky pulse, the graceful fills that usher in the heavenly chorus in Here Comes My Girl, or the swamp-funk groove of his 1993 Heartbreakers swan song Mary Janes Last Dance.. Yes. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. In other words, he won't shut up! There was a time when they were so glib and articulate, it really was like being around the Marx Brothers or something. It's like, for me, "Thank God Tom sold a lot of records 'cause now I can enjoy making music!". The interview was conducted by Jeff Sims, guitarist of the Dixie Desperados and lifelong friend of Lynch's. Lynch and Sims attended Westwood Middle School in the 1960s and would play music. 2023 Cond Nast. Like I know Fiona Apple makes great records, but I can't listen to it because there's so much angst! 2023 Rolling Stone, LLC. Heres the important point. We played with X, we played with Gun Club, but we never stopped loving Tom Petty, Zanes said. I told my editor about Pettys heroin addiction in the 90s. [laughter]. I'm interested in rock music, literature, cinema, and doing research in Cultural Studies. You can actually remain on the pedestal that youve earned as an artist. I park and go to the lounge outside his studio. Come and get it!" Stanley Joseph "Stan" Lynch (born May 21, 1955) is an American musician, songwriter and record producer. Songwriter, musician. It was still like.this is incredible, I don't want to die here, this is great! I think hunger makes the best sauce, and I think that fortune, money and all that shit that comes along with it can really.working too close to your comfort zone is not necessarily great art. Tom Petty was a heroin addict in the 90s. If you're the kind of person who's an addict, or if you know somebody who's an addict, get help! A series of writing projects followed, which lead to Petty asking Zanes to write the biography. ', Editors picks I wouldnt want to cheapen it or do a watered-down version., Theres been talks of a one-off tribute show where the Heartbreakers would play with guest singers, but Campbell says he cant even envision that. But then, when he left his marriage and moved into a house, by himself, things slowed just long enough that all of that past came right as hes coming into the pain of not being able to control the well-being of his kids and not being able to control a dialogue with his ex-wife. John needs Paul. He didnt like the record. Jeff [Lynne] is a constructionist from the Brian. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. And what it basically translated to was, "Fuckin' have some fun with this, wouldya?". Thats kind of the Heartbreakers code. And it reverberated for years, some people never got over it. Ive known him since I was 15. You were open to doing an authorized version, right? It's like, Mick needs Keith. Send us a tip using our anonymous form. What would I start doing, polling people in high school? 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No, he goes out and plays the songs that he wrote. It's very incredible. But other times I've been in a room where you just strike an E chord and the guy starts singing. I had a kit in my house, and I had to take it away. But it's a wonderful thing to know that I'm on a journey now. I was wearing this brocade jacket and had long, bushy blonde hair. Thats a long run to have someone in your life one way or another., Campbell sent over the two recent albums he released with his longtime backing band the Dirty Knobs, 2020s Wreckless Abandon and 2022s External Combustion, and told him to learn the songs. Really hurts some guys. God bless 'em! When youve worked with bands like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers,Aretha Franklin, Stevie Nicks andthe Eagles, its not a strange thing to be interviewed. The Petty Archives is not in any way knowingly affiliated, associated, or endorsed by the Tom Petty estate, any of the Heartbreakers, and/or any of their current or previous management. Just go! In Pettys interviews with Zanes, he was as forthright and honest as he is in his songs, talking about his abusive father, his failed marriage, and his heroin use. Oh, my my, oh, hell yes, did Lynch serve those songs well. That may be. The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time As a drummer, he's all about paradox and contrast: an irresistible blending of Charlie Watts' solid understatement with John Bonham's raw go-for-the-throat power, either of which might turn and rear its head within a single verse. It really came out very intense, at times remorseful, at times angry but he helped the book immeasurably. I cant tell you whats in it or not in it. Heres what hes acknowledging: That a warts-and-all portrait doesnt throw you into the gutter. Lynch talked to Zanes for two days straight about his long years of having to prove that he was the right drummer. He was the original drummer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for 18 years until his departure in 1994. To me, it was like, "Who gives a fuck? Well that was one of the best interviews ever John! I know Im not a great singer, but I can get the point across, he says. Thats a hard thing to arrive at. Original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch recently joined an interview with Rolling Stone. And Im a guy that always wanted to be in a band. Tons of them. Id need you to play a leg of the tour. I knew that there was the capacity within that group to push boundaries, he says. It doesn't mean that they suck; it means that that particular season they were reading the pitches all wrong! He said, I want it to be yours. Better to have rocked and lost than never to have rocked at all [laughter]. There was a lot of miscommunication and many immature sh*ts going down. Its felt really nice to get my friend back., They finally met up a few months ago at Campbells Los Angeles home studio he calls Knobville. MD: And it was Don Henley who helped you on that path, right? 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