My LabRadar, which allows meeting deadlines during the endless overcast days of a northern Idaho winter, will not record speeds exceeding 4,000 fps. But like most rifles in 22 Hornet, the barrels of those in 218 Bee have a rifling twist of 1:16 inches, which is not quick enough to stabilize many of the bullets listed for this cartridge in various reloading manuals. They produce almost no discernable recoil. .17 WSM ammunition includes Winchester Elite with 20 and 25 grain tipped bullets, Hornady with a 20 grain V-MAX tipped bullet and Federal American Eagle brand with a 20 grain tipped bullet. Regardless of how bullets were seated, chamber pressures appeared to be on the mild side in the Cooper and Remington guns. Hodgdons listing of 18.0 grains of CFE BLK as maximum for 30- and 35-grain bullets needs clarification. The best groups resulted from 18 grains of N133 (.66 inch at 3,822 fps, including very low extreme velocity spreads), a 19 grain maximum load of IMR-8308 XBR (.73-inch at 3,874 fps) and 16 grains of LT-30 (.75 inch at 3,622 fps). The .17 Remington works with a wider variety of propellants than one may immediately think. The interior magazine length of Remington Model 700 rifles chambered for this cartridge is shortened at the factory by the installation of a filler block. The S.A.A.M.I. Muzzle velocity was 3,488 fps at a chamber pressure of 46,400 psi. Cases from unfired Hornady factory loads had a length of 1.338 inches, which I used as a trim length. The .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (.17 HMR) cartridge is based on a .22 WMR case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. Lot-to-lot powder variations do exist and in a cartridge this small, they can cause a significant difference in pressure and velocity. The full-page lead photo was filled with two hunters, one tiny rifle and a huge Alaskan brown bear wearing a hide that surely squared 10 feet or better. Slightly compressed charges often deliver the lowest shot-to-shot variations in velocity, while dropping much below 90 percent can result in high velocity spreads. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. I had also scrubbed the barrel the night before. One in the chamber and another in the magazine makes it a two-shooter. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. Also my 17 funnel and a box of the hsm 25 hp bergers. According to my measurements, its gravimetric density is 0.980 gram per cubic centimeter, the same as for water. The .17 Remington is a fun and interesting round to work with. At 3,900 to 4,000 fps these bullets will typically enter a furbearer with a tiny pinprick and completely dissipate inside the animal. Adding 5 grains of bullet weight slows the pace to 3,750 fps but results additional large-target reliability. You can use the Horn 25 HP My Rem LVSF likes the 25 VMAX with H4895 I have had as much as 3-6 grains variance in Rem brass. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Ruger No. They are not the most accurate bullet of the bunch. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). Hornady loads its .17 Hornet Superformance Varmint cartridges with 20-grain V-MAX bullets and 15.5-grain NTX bullets, with a stated muzzle velocity of 3,650 fps for the V-MAX and 3,870 fps for the NTX. Chances are, if theyre a shooter, they have a .17-caliber rifle tucked away someplace. How does the performance of the .17s compare with .22 caliber varmint cartridges? I first became aware of his cartridge when reading a gun magazine article in the 1960s. Those are not huge differences in bullet drop and drift between the two bullet diameters, although the .22s do deliver more energy to the target. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! bullet. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several lead-free projectiles add to the .280's versatility. Rifles chambered for the various .17-caliber centerfire cartridges often have extremely long chamber throats, and the Ruger Model 77/17H test rifle is one of them. #1 Lilja barrel shipped 2 days ago. It made a huge difference for me on my group size. A friend of mine has two custom rifles in 17 Hornet, and accuracy from one is best with the Remington 6, while the other prefers the Winchester WSR. Possibly more germane, I was unable to clean the barrel as often as I would have liked during testing, my pull-through bore snake was too short to fish through the 26-inch barrel. | The .17 Mach 2 (.17 M2) cartridge is based on a CCI Stinger .22 LR case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. My best load with the 20gn V-Max was 10gn of Lil Gun for a sizzling 3699fps, but 10gn of AR2205 gave a handy 3535fps and WIN-296 did 3550fps. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Very accurate and fast in Remington 700 BDL sporter xswanted Gold $$ Contributor Feb 22, 2017 #6 I tried it. As a comparison, the extreme velocity spread was 108 fps for 10 shots of Hornadys Superformance Varmint 20-grain load. More reliable bullets allowed .17-caliber rounds like the RFB to be run at 4,000-plus feet per second (fps) without worry of poor terminal performance. * We tested two different Marlin Model 917VS and Ruger K77/17VMBBZ rifles. CFE BLKs top velocity was 4,532 fps with this bullet using 18 grains of powder, but with poor accuracy. Like: H4350, H4831 SC, VV N550 & N160. Ben Voss FN Product Manager talks about the new FN SCAR 15P ultra-compact rifle-caliber pistol at SHOT Show 2023. Give a Gift Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. Lately, I have been experimenting with a 30-grain HPBT from a custom maker in Virginia, Don Unmussig. Speaking of casesgood cartridge cases are available from a variety of sources, as is loaded ammunition. In Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Volume II (1966), Ackley writes about himself: The author may or may not have been the originator of the .17 caliber in this country. Seventeen-caliber rifles are just a little bit magic. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. The plastic tip increases ballistic coefficients for flatter long-range trajectories and initiates dismantling impacts on small varmints. Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.92", (TIE) CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 1.06", Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 1.08", (TIE) Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 1.13", (TIE) Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 1.16", Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 1.21", Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.25", Winchester 1885 Low Wall Hunter, .17 WSM - 1.25", Savage Model 93R17 Classic, .17 HMR - 1.31", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.44", Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.46", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.54", Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 2.05", Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington), Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI), Savage B.MAG Target, .17 WSM - 0.75" (Winchester), Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 0.80" (Remington), Remington Model 597 LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.84" (CCI), Browning T-Bolt Target/Varmint, .17 HMR - 0.88" (Winchester), Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 0.93" (Remington), Weatherby Mark XXII, .17 HMR - 0.94" (Hornady), CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 0.96" (CCI), Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.98" (Federal), (TIE) Marlin Model 917VS ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.0" (Hornady), Anschutz Model 1502 D HB, .17 M2 - 1.06" (Hornady), Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.13" (Hornady), (TIE) Savage Model 93R17-BTVS, .17 HMR - 1.17" (CCI), (TIE) Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.25" (Hornady), Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.27" (Hornady & Remington - tie), (TIE)Henry Golden Boy, .17 HMR - 1.40" (Remington), Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.47" (CCI), Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 1.5" (Remington). The .17 Hornet (right) is quite a bit smaller and burns about three-quarters as much powder as the .17 Remington Fireball (left). Ive been wrong before when predicting the cartridge-buying habits of small game hunters, but I hope Im not wrong about the .17 Hornady Hornet. In the .17s I have worked with, the CCI BR-4 has given me the most consistent accuracybut your results may vary. There are a wide variety of custom makers that currently sell various configurations of hollowpoints and even softpoints in .17 calibera quick search on the net will show the way. The Gunsmith should have the rifle in my hot little hands in about 2 weeks. Granted, the barrel had undoubtedly become fouled at this point in the test, with no means to remedy that. ONeil of OKH fame. Wt. Whereas squeezing in enough IMR 4198 to reach top velocities with those two can be challenging, maximum charges of CFE BLK drop in with a bit of room to spare. All recorded groups are fired from a solid bench rest at an outdoor rifle range. Its case is 1.796 inches long and while many assert that its nothing more than a .223 necked to .17, a quick examination of the cases clearly demonstrates that this is not so. Using 17.5 grains of Reloder 10x produced a .21-inch group at 3,787 fps. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Hornady Load Data Using .17 Remington Bullets: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. I have tried just about every bullet made. Simply run a case through the Ackley full-length resizer and it is ready to load. 71/2 and 24 gr of 4320 under a 25 gr bullet gives me 3900 from a 22 inch barrel and is 1/4 -1/2 inch accuracy. A number of the cartridges were Ackleys designs while the others had been sent to him by various other developers for inclusion in his two-volume Handbook For Shooters & Reloaders. The Hodgdons 2012 Annual Manual and the Hodgdon website list about the same maximum loads for the .17 Ackley Hornet and .17 Hornet with some powders. Ive not tried the excellent RWS primer nor the new Winchester Match Small Riflebut wouldnt hesitate to test either one. More importantly, the .222 Remington would spawn the elongated .223 Remington, introduced in 1957 (and today is Americas most popular centerfire cartridge); and the shortened .221 Remington Fireball. Zero the .17 Ackley Hornet with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max at 3,600 fps two inches high at 100 yards and it is two inches high at 200 yards and four inches low at 300. According to the story, OBrien wagered that his guide could not kill the bear with his rifle in .17 Mach IVand lost the bet. The .17 Remington requires consistent cleaning. If you look at a burn rate chart and published reloading data, you will see other powders that are closeReloder 15, IMR4064, Varget, VV N-140, and H4895 are commonly referenced. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. So with some hold-over aiming finesse, the .17 would make a decent ground squirrel and prairie dog cartridge out to 300 yards. In addition to delivering much lower velocity spreads, accuracy was better with IMR 4198 and H335. Ackley had his hand in developing decades previously. Perhaps you know someone who drives a Maserati, or a 1970s International pickup. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. Joe Kurtenbach and Caleb Giddings also look at the first-ever optics-ready carry revolvers with the new Taurus 605 and 856 T.O.R.O. Having the tools, it was decided to make a few barrels. Rem. When it comes down to velocity, the .17 Rem. A very accurate varmint load is 43.7 grains of H4895 and 58 grain Hornady V-max - <1/2" 5 shots at 100 yards. It typically kills even big-bodied coyotes cleanly, yet does minimal damage to the skin. | Wind resistance? Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. All Guns and Ammo subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Shooting this series during March, Id have to await sunshine to allow employing a standard chronograph to begin testing. It weighs 10.73 pounds scoped and the added Timney Trigger broke crisply at 2.08 pounds. If i had a bunch of those bullets i would try IMR 4320. maximum overall cartridge length of 1.720 inches to ensure its compatibility with the magazines of rifles originally designed for the .22 Hornet. A 9.5-grain charge of LilGun shot five 20-grain Bergers in .78 inch at 100 yards. Give it a shot and see what youve been missing. Accuracy of the two powders in my guns is about the same, but the new powder pushes 40- and 50-grain bullets faster at slightly lower chamber pressures. Give a Gift All rights reserved. The .17 Fireball includes such mild recoil that the shooter gets to watch all the action through the scope. The SCAR 15P is chambered for 5.56 NATO and, with its 7.5-inch barrel, is the most compact SCAR to date. The Berger reloading manual shows the exact same maximum powder charge weights for both. The Hornady .17 case, however, is a bit shorter in length and to the base of the shoulder than the Ackley case. That put bullets 0.060 inch off the rifling, and while accuracy was not as good as with bullets touching the rifling, it was considerably better than with a longer jump. Chris Johnson, FN Senior Product Manager, walks us through two new FN striker-fired pistols at SHOT Show 2023: the FN 510 Tactical, chambered in 10mm Auto, and the FN 545 Tactical, chambered in .45 ACP. [br] Other powders to consider are those in the same burn rate range. After thoroughly cleaning the tube at home, for instance, the added 25-grain Hornady V-MAX loads assembled impressive clusters. For years, the powder in the .17 Rem. Patrick. If you like cutting-edge firearms based on the wildly popular AR-15 rifle, this, Arguably the Rolls Royce of centerfire 17s, Cooper's, One of the best values in rimfire bolt actions, this, Fans of traditional styling and controlled-feed actions love, During a bear hunt in Canada one year, I discovered that, In reality, your best bet for a .17 Remington-caliber rifle is to pick one up used via, Built more like a true big game rifle than any other rimfire bolt action, Ruger's, Of unique design and featuring specialized operating characteristics required to reliably function the stout .17 WSM cartridge, Savage's. This American-made, double-base spherical powder is a slower derivative of A-2230. The use of more streamlined pointed bullets in bolt-action rifles, such as the Winchester 43, Kimber 82, and Sako L46, flattens trajectory and increases downrange punch. The Best of both worlds: After nearly 4 years of waiting, Dan Wesson's DWX is here. Of the two, the .17 HMR is far and away the most popular. Regardless, it was a foolish stunt. He has been fooling with the 17R since the year it came out. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Hodgdons Ron Reiber was the first to try CFE BLK in the field. Well Russ, you picked a bullet I've never tried. | The .17 Winchester Super Magnum (.17 WSM) is based on a Winchester .270 commercial nail gun case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. The 527s barrel is slender with a diameter of just over .5 inch at the muzzle. The barrel and action include a protective Parkerized finish. Following are the Average Overall Group Size test results for the various .17 caliber rimfire rifles reviewed by Guns and Shooting Online (measured in inches). Only a couple of characteristics plague .17-caliber firearms: tiny bullets require delicate rifling that is easily damaged by cleaning equipment; and tiny bores are, well, just plain aggravating to clean. Well guys, winter is upon us and I am in dire need to try out a few new loads getting ready for the spring time ground squirrel ritual. Ill be testing this powder with other bullet weights moving forward. When using that primer in this cartridge, it is important to begin with a starting load and keep a close eye on fired primer condition while carefully working up. When it comes to choosing a primer, it and the 17 Ackley Hornet can be finicky from rifle to rifle. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. Especially Remington brass. A Cooper rifle I shot performed best with the Federal 205M. It is a very small bore, very high-pressure round and as such, it fouls just like a similar, larger cartridge (think .22/250 or .220 Swifteven the .204 Ruger). The magazine of the Ruger rifle will handle longer. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. Backing the sizing die a partial turn from contacting the shellholder on the press set headspace on the case shoulder instead of on the cartridge rim. It fed cartridges measuring 1.750 inches just fine, but to avoid any feeding issues in the field, I reduced COL to 1.745 inches. Berger set a terrific tone for .17 caliber bullets with a wide range of bulletsvariously producing bullets as light as 15 grains and as heavy as 37 grains (which require a very fast twist). Cases did stretch some during firing and then sizing. This is a consummate varmint rifle, including a long, heavy barrel for maximum velocity and minimal warming between shots, with molded synthetic stock and forearm vents to promote barrel cooling. Plus, whats not to like about a cartridge with a near absence of recoil that shoots flat enough to take small game out to 300 yards? WARNING: The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. : 41,500 50,400 CUP This concludes with an average overall group size for all types of ammunition. A chamber pressure of 40,600 CUP is well below the S.A.A.M.I. 17 MACH IV. Stocky's Owner Don Bitz walks David Faubion through the company's new rifle stocks for 2023. Ruger's multi-role small frame autoloading rifle - Sear - combines AR-10 power with AR-15 Portability. Bergers 25 grain Flat Base Varmint was chosen to represent the 25 grain weight class after noting exceptional accuracy in other calibers with this bullet. This load shoots in all the .17 Remington's I've owned; at about 4040 fps', the advertised Remington velocity. At least not inside of 300 yards. H-322 didnt impress, .82 inch at 4,344 fps its best showing (maximum/compressed load of 19.5 grains), while TAC managed only .66 inch at 3,935 (19.5 grains) with this bullet. Not only that, but it is also stable in a 1:9 twist, which has become the standard in the caliber (from the original 1:10). After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. I first pulled bullets and dumped powder. Medium-fast powders including Hodgdons Benchmark, H-4198, H-322 and CFE BLK, IMR-8280 XBR, Western Powders Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Accurates LT-30 and A-2200, Alliants Reloder 10x and 7, Shooters World Blackout and Vihtavuori N133 were chosen for a combination of clean-burning characteristics and maximum velocities. It shoots projectiles in the 17- to 20-grain range up to about 2,600 feet per second (fps). Cases are available from Nosler and Normaand they are quite goodthough a bit more heavily constructed than the original Remingtonsso the handloader must take this into consideration and work up loads carefully if using data that was developed in Remington cases. The first one was chambered for the so-called .17 Pee Wee, which was simply the .30 Carbine cartridge necked down to .17, and the first rifle was built . I prefer the 25-grain V-Max in the .17 Remington because it slices through wind a bit better than the 20-grain version, and it delivers more energy to boot. case and fireforming to minimum body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle, the 7mm TCU is great fun to shoot due to its extremely mild recoil. As mentioned, the .17 was first brought to market with a 25-grain Power Lokt Hollow Point. The Hammer 18 grain Dead Blow and Nosler 20 grain Varmageddon bullets deserve further experimentation, as I obviously didnt do my part though I did demonstrate what didnt work, which is something. Possibly one of the best varmint load - consistently under 1/4" at 100 yards is 75 grain Sierra (Speer and Remington shoot well too) with 58 grains IMR4350. Today, they are down to one offeringa 25-grain Varmint Hollowpointand its a very accurate projectile. An overall cartridge length of 1.815 inches with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exceeds what the Ruger magazine is capable of handling, so those rounds had to be manually loaded directly into the chamber. <oneshot>. Introduced in 2018, it is rugged, simple, and accurate. Reiber's load consisted of the Remington 6 primer, Hornady case, and Hornady 20-grain V-Max seated out to lightly engage the rifling. Using 18.5-, 19- and 19.5-grain charges of Ramshot X-Terminator produced .28-, .31- and .68-inch groups at 3,583, 3,687 and 3,809 fps, respectively, with a 1.81-inches OAL. The barrels of the Ruger Model 77/17H and the Remington XP-100 had accumulated some, but it vanished after only three applications of solvent. My most accurateand one I still haveis a Sako L46. The .17 Remington, on the other hand, is the darling of predator hunters protective over pelts. Hammer Bullets 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. I have tried 3 different 20 grain pills out of my 17 Rem. It simply is the 221 Remington Fireball necked down to 17 caliber, using a 30-degree shoulder. I should have paid more attention to that OAL, as I seated these bullets .006-inch deeper, resulting in disappointing groups overall. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Reibers load consisted of the Remington 6 primer, Hornady case, and Hornady 20-grain V-Max seated out to lightly engage the rifling. Longer stick propellants can bridge when flowing through purpose-designed .17 caliber powder dispensing equipment, and for this reason I always weigh my charges carefully and inspect the charged cases prior to the bullet seating operation. The introduction of LilGun by Hodgdon in 1999 was one of the best things to happen to the 221 Fireball, and I was curious to see how slower-burning CFE BLK would stack up against it. Alliant Reloder 7, Hodgdon H-322 and Ramshot TAC were paired with this bullet. The Fireball dropped in 1964 with the official introduction of the same companys XP-100 single-shot bolt pistol and provided 90 percent of the .223 Remingtons performance while burning 35 percent less powder. Here, listed in alphabetical order, are several of the best .17-caliber rifles available today: Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. The camera rod of my Lyman borescope is too large in diameter for .17-caliber barrels, so for three of the test rifles I relied on cleaning patches wet with copper solvent to detect the presence of metal fouling. I have owned several rifles in 218 Bee through the years, the first being a Winchester Model 43. When a new cartridge is introduced, its origins can often be traced to a cartridge P.O. Velocity from the 24-inch barrel exceeded 3,860 fps. Have you tried H322? Ackleys little cartridge, but loading CFE BLK is faster because it flows through a good powder measure with much greater uniformity in charge weight. With the 65, I recommend 47.5 grains of Varget or 47.5 grains of IMR 4064. The .17 Remington is one of the children that the .222 Remington spawned. Hodgdon LilGun is the powder for the .17. Bullets for the .17 Remington have come a long way since 1971, both in quality and variety. The first die necks a .22 Hornet case down to .20 caliber. The impossibility of getting suitable actions for the .17 Pee Wee cartridge, made it necessary to design several other cartridges which would be suitable for available actions. I'll second the 4320. .17 Remington - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Lee #4 Lyman #26 RCBS #10 Recipe Type: Bullet Weight: Recipe Source: Starting Max Source 15.5 gr NTX (HDY) 0.172" Powder: Benchmark (Hodgdon) Primer: REM 7 Case: REM Trim Length: 1.786" C.O.L. Some 6mm Rem AI shooters prefer to shoot the 87gr V-Max from a 10-twist barrel.The 6mm Rem AI set up with a 10-twist barrel to shoot the 87gr V-Max is about the ultimate long-range varmint caliber one could ever . Meet the all-new Taurus Judge Executive Grade, a revolver featuring a hand-polished satin finish, presentation-grade wood grips, a brass rod front sight and an exceptional hand-tuned trigger. I just spoke to a gent this past week on this subject. He admitted to being stuck in his ways and did very little changing. The 17 Hornet was given a S.A.A.M.I. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Last but certainly not least, the ability of CFE BLK to reduce copper fouling in barrels gives it a big edge for high-volume shooting of prairie dogs, ground squirrels, and other varmints. Starting at 18.0 grains of CFE BLK, I worked up to 21.5 grains, a charge that fills the case about halfway up its neck. .17 Remington (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 77 loads. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. by an Oregon gunsmith and was exactly right for this small cartridge. If the rifle is accurate, one really has to be "off the playing field" to assemble handloads that won't shoot. Hodgdon lists as little as 0.3 grain between minimum and maximum powder charges for the .17 Hornady. The bolt on one would not close, and though the bolt on the other rifle would close, the fit was so tight a steady diet of that ammo would eventually cause galling of the locking lugs. Vihtavuori N133, Hodgdon Benchmark and Ramshot X-Terminator (same as Accurate A-2230) were tried, with the best group just .62 inch at 4,043 fps with 18 grains of N133, .77 inch at 4,098 fps with 19.5 grains of Benchmark and .70 inch at 3,780 fps with 19 grains of X-Terminator. The V-MAX bullets had an average velocity of 3,567 fps for 10 shots recorded 10 feet in front of the muzzle of the 21.90-inch barrel of a CZ 527 American. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. Still, extreme velocity spreads ranged from 104 to 368 fps with IMR-4227, 142 fps with Reloder 7 and 162 fps with H-4198 shooting 20-grain bullets. I have attempted to chamber Remington ammo in two .17 Mach IV rifles. The first commercial .17-caliber round, the .17 Remington, was hobbled by the inferior .17-caliber bullets available upon its release, often resulting in superficial wounds on animals such as coyotes. In its original configuration, it was a fine cartridge, though somewhat limited. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Pressure indications were still quite mild in my rifle. When shooting ground squirrels and prairie dogs with a bolt-action rifle, I seldom use its magazine anyway. Precision Redding full-length Type S Match Dies with .195-inch titanium nitride sizing bushing and micro-adjustable seating-die head were used. Based on reloading die sales at RCBS, Ackleys .17 Hornet Improved is still one of the most popular cartridges of its caliber among varmint shooters. Factory .223 Remington loads often provide good accuracy, but the cartridge is a great choice for handloaders who want to duplicate or even exceed factory ammunition ballistics. The neck of the case will be shorter than on cases formed from .22 Hornet brass, but accuracy is the same and flickertails dont seem to mind. advertised factory ballistics are about 100 fps less than the initial claim nearly a century ago. Hornady Custom Grade full-length dies were used to size and load the .17s. He owned no powder scale and simply filled the case to the brim with IMR 4198, seated a bullet on top, and commenced to terrorize the local crow population. sierra Gameking , AOL. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The Fireball, fed lighter bullets, is capable of velocities well in excess of 4,000 fps. Use a Rem 7 1/2 primer. I can say that IMR 8208 XBR is fast becoming my favorite powder. Published Jul 22, 2022 2:40 PM EDT. 23.5 grn. On the other end of the stick, almost all firearm manufacturers offer rimfire rifles chambered in .17 HMR, so shooters can pick and choose. Neck sizing the cases stretched them to 1.344. This bullet, seated to a 1.81-inch OAL, also started turning in better groups. Ackley describes the .17 Hornet as sort of an improved .22 Hornet necked down to .17 caliber. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. With most accurate 17 remington load means to remedy that Reloder 7, Hodgdon H-322 and Ramshot TAC paired. 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